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me check. OK, guys, I'm here with my friend Anna here. This is how are you? I'm good. How are you? Great

I'm laughing because I want to know how to find out about this podcast. But I found out about this podcast because I think I was trying to find the castle milk furniture project contact for a friend of mine that was asking for something. And then I saw your podcast on the website

So I clicked on that and, um started listening. And as soon as I started listening, it just felt like the the stuff you were talking about was just really different to what I'd heard people talk about before. And I think because I used to work in the refugee sector and so I think the way that I was used to talking to people was a very different way

You know, it's not casual. People probably aren't really saying what they think to me. So it was really different

And then I emailed you, and then we met on Zoom the first time. Oh, yes, I remember. I was like, Who's this person from home office or something? Then you were a bit suspicious, of course

No, not. Yeah. Then I was like, No, I know

I I like Hm. Cool. So but anyway, yes, uh, I like that

Thank you for finding us, because I think that's very important. Anyway, I'm good at this. Um, yeah, network now and become the good friends and stuff

But there are still questions for you as well. Like, if I know my questions are simple, I think the first one is that actually you you worked with with some refugees, um, networks and projects or charities and stuff like that. What was the challenging? What was the most challenging thing for you? Never mind hearing that, uh, is not in general

Um, I think the most challenging thing for me was, um, the ways in which the sector didn't work well and that I felt like it could work a lot better than it did, and that I often felt like we weren't really as a sector as a whole. Weren't really, you know, pressing the most important issues. Um, and we weren't really taking a strong enough position against or the home office

Uh, Glasgow City Council. Um, and I found the the although towards the end of me working there I was working collaboratively with a lot more organisations. I think I did feel like there could be more collaborative working and that it's a shame that organisations are kind of divided and that it's difficult to work together

That's a good one, because for me, a little bit I agree because, um, I used to be a service user or can service user South Africa refugee. Wow, why? We don't have a right to speak. Everyone always speak for ourselves

No one We go in the office, they just ask you exactly what you do when you out. So I think this is the purpose of me at the podcast talking to you and the people with the experience. So together these two sides together so the world can understand that where the plans are mixed

But again I I think you interviewed me. I talk a lot about stuff anyway. Well, I was just gonna say the first time the first time we met on Zoom and like you were saying you were maybe a bit suspicious of me And you had a lot of questions for me the first time we met

That was like, basically, who are you? Why should I talk to you? Like, what do you want? Like, explain yourself to me? And that was quite uncomfortable for me. But it was good because I suppose I hadn't. I hadn't had to answer those questions in that way before

And then I guess, as we were saying, because I worked for the third Sector, Um, you know, you're not meeting with people in that way where they get to ask you a lot of questions. You're just like, you know, what's your issue? Tell me about your issue. I'll tell you how I can help you

And so you're just meeting in that way. So now you know how difficult it is. We get asked

A lot of you have no home. They have no money. You have no rights

I think I have to deal with two hours interview in home office, for example. Yeah, you come back and you got these people. Oh, you think you should trust They also ask the But I think today is a value

You. So that's got nothing to do with me. I'm not gonna get away with it

No, no, no, not at all. I think like we talk about like, um, for me, that So my question would be that kind of like I wanted to to get my not my own shoes only, but I mean, like to be in the shoes of all these refugees and asylum seekers, Which is how does so How does it infect you? Like at that time when I worked there on and other people as well. Do you think they're really infected about how our stories go around to them? Like or they just go in because they have to go to work and do your work? Well, I think a lot like I think that's

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