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So can I get you to introduce yourself? My name is Andrew Walker. M b E
a A Knight of the realm.
A wheelchair night of the realm.
I haven't a horse because I have a a wheelchair following a spinal card injury.
So I'm a man with lived experience.
um, where are you Based W W W Yeah, but based in based in, uh, Sun
Specifically. Although I originally
chap from Oldham
just up the road,
I can see all them through my window.
Andy what? Tell? Like if I was gonna ask you, Like what? What,
uh, makes you tick What you're passionate about, mate.
Well, friendships, mate. So it's lovely. Love to see you, buddy. As always,
uh, you know, people that I love,
Um, I'm passionate about a lot of things, really. I love my sports.
I love I'm very I'm a very competitive person.
Maybe I I'm very much like family driven.
So, like, I like,
I like running businesses because I like doing things my way a little bit,
which is usually the wrong way, but, you know,
But it means that I get to have a bit of flexibility. I don't like
I don't like,
you know, I've got, like,
I haven't really got a plan for life. I'm just, uh
I like just to throw myself into it and see what happens.
So I like flexibility and,
you know, variety,
type of thing. And,
yeah, new experiences. I love lots of things, man. I I love life. Life is great. And
Oh, I I love life as well. So, like, what? What do you do if you like? So, like what?
What's your thing that you do?
Well, I mean,
so yeah, I mean, family orientated.
You know, I wouldn't say I'm creative, but I like building things.
So I'm like, So, as we were discussing before
the recording started, this is like I'm on to, like, my sixth house. I think
I've been building houses since I was, like, 18.
You know, managing it more now and building it as I can't
build them anymore.
but, you know,
I run businesses like I run a business because
I want to make a difference in the world.
you know, I I know it sounds really corny, but it's true you know,
you know, I've had I've had ups and downs in life,
and I can see that other people in the community, I think, following a spinal injury,
it gives you more of an opportunity to
to have a voice to be able to help and support people.
You know, I'm I'm a positive guy, but I'm I'm lucky because I've got such great
family and friends. That's what it's all about. And
everything for me revolves around family, you know, makes a part of that godchild.
I've got a billion godchild.
I dread Christmas.
do you know I've got three? I've got three goddaughter's birthdays in four days,
Uh, at the end of November,
so I might go and hibernate somewhere. So
one's 18, so it's an expensive present,
Lot of the good things.
That's what makes me tick.
They'll find you anyway. And I'm sure you'll
I know you can see behind me. There's, like, a million pumpy
So I I came back yesterday from finishing work in Manchester
at half four, thinking that I was going back to like a normal empty house and they had,
like, eight people here,
kids with pumpkins saying,
We've decided we're doing pumpkins at your house.
So, like from three different families
and I love that Isaac, you know, just like a proper
sort of policy. And
I love I love my evening with the kids last night.
Andy. I was wondering if you would share with me.
So what impact did covid, um,
or the covid pandemic and lockdowns have on your life as a disabled person?
Uh, like a huge, a huge impact. The first, The first thing that I mentioned.
There is so many different things
which it which it impacted and changed. The first thing was to get
it did give me an opportunity because I'm a busy guy to kind of slow down a little bit.
But the problem with that was I was slowing down and
couldn't get near the people I wanted to be with.
So I had all this time on my hands, but, um,
it was usually like it's a huge time of anxiety.
And there's a lot of stress because I have a 24
hour curve following a high level of spinal cord injury.
it's probably worth me explaining what? You know what that means for me is that,
you know, physically, I need support with eating, drinking, washing, showering.
And I looked down with a carer and his wife, who also had some complex health needs,
uh, two amazing people.
but it it it was the simple things. Like, for me, it was like the like, a guy.
Like I I felt like I I I I really was treated like a bit of an alien.
It's like you, you're you know, everyone's like, you know,
we were so worried about you
and, you know, because I'm like, uh,
you know, I'm I do all these like,
first in the world challenges cycling across Kenya, climbing mountains, you know,
flying with had controls, all this stuff.
And all of a sudden
I felt kind of like
like to say it was making me more vulnerable than I wanted to feel
like. I felt isolated. Everyone else could go out or
if you're a key worker and that kind of thing. But I wasn't allowed to.
The rules were different for me.
It was dictated upon that No, there was no discussion about it.
But the second part of that was I was actually, you know,
really anxious and nervous about
the pandemic because, you know, lung capacity, spinal bod injuries,
respiratory problems are associated with it.
you know, bringing
the the, you know, the the virus into the house,
interactions with the neighbours, people passing food over shopping,
that kind of thing.
It was a massive stress and didn't have a clue how to handle it as a boss,
as a as an individual employer
or as a friend,
you know, as somebody who was worried about it.
And we had the most ridiculous arguments about black people passing us cake.
Like, you know, we we we like people make cake for us. We want to eat it
because somebody else had made it. But we accepted it.
So like, and then,
you know, so that was the first thing.
Second thing was work wise, and financially,
it was difficult.
You know, we had I I had a shelter. Tin.
I mean it. It's an open door. Now I've extended through it, but
it was like we had four or five shelves. I looked at a picture the other day.
It was like a a couple of years ago,
and he had all these, like soups and things on panic buying and toilet rolls.
And we were part of that, you know, because you just haven't got a clue
when you gonna be able to get fresh food your next meal?
It was horrible, wasn't it?
I think the biggest impact was so as as an individual employs a disabled person.
I didn't have a clue how to deal with it.
And, you know, I didn't feel like it was initially well guided
and and I felt very much like I was the, uh
you you you are really vulnerable because this virus,
whereas it affected everybody. And that's what I kept saying, you know, it
affects everybody, so that's one part of it. Work wise.
But then things started to change because I got involved in the Covid health
group. Our project managed that
and and a lot more stuff online,
started doing stuff online in the business, connecting with like
pubs and scouts, and started to cook for people and distribute that. So we did like a,
um a nominated hero thing.
Do you remember? We did that. We cook him in in the
so we so like an NHS a role
so we could nominate a hero.
So we we we got busy doing things differently and we adapted quite well.
one of the things that I that I was really keen to do was to learn from
in the spinal community. I think I think it's really
it's a really positive community
where where people do naturally support because you've been in spinal units
and people have peer support naturally.
But I didn't feel like locally we did enough of that.
And I was calling out to the council to connect people.
But they just don't the connecting you. So you have conversations,
they try it. And then what I want to do is like P
so things like,
how do you handle post?
How do you, you know, wiping things down, living with P A s, you know,
supporting them with their anxieties.
You know, people live here solidly,
but what happens if people are coming in and out of your house
intermittently. Different types occur and support them.
What I receive rather than 24 hours and let's look after each other mentally.
Let's look after our p A s.
The people are coming here to care for us.
There was also the thing about furloughing, and you were part of that conversation.
the furlough, P. A s.
And I remember the Health Minister saying,
Do you realise you probably cost the country 25 million lives?
Uh, £25 million or something?
And I remember that er went back to this person saying
I do you think about the money? I think about how many lives you might have saved
to fill. But like my p A weren't. But then eventually
you know, people like yourself myself
try to put in conversations with high level health.
You know, strategic influencers, ministers, whatever
to try to see you know how things were.
So that was part of it.
The other part of it was quite interesting. Educational,
different cultures, how they dealt with it. There was a lot of discussions,
learning a lot from people like clason around the community and other communities
You know, anti vaccine
I did a lot of work around, Um with
just through the the the the group.
And, um so it was educational. It was interesting. It was stressful.
It was emotional,
that's my brother.
When they told you my house,
you're being recorded don't swear.
What do you
Yeah, you could do things like that during the pandemic.
So, Steve, So that's my youngest brother.
He had a child during the pandemic, and and, like, the fear of
not being able to see,
and that kind of thing.
So it was it. It was stressful. It was emotional. But it was also
I thought, you know, I like the pan banging stuff. I like the fact that
it remind me of the Olympics.
Like, you know, Britain kind of gets together as a community.
I felt that was more the community than the public sector,
if that makes sense.
I wanted to ask you. So
how did it make you feel as a disabled person, knowing that cost was
even talked about rather than
yeah, just yeah,
just like that's the completely wrong
way to tackle the conversation.
So, like no nobody nobody asked anything about, uh it was like you must have math,
math test safe masking.
You must do this. You must. Your carers must do this or do it rather than
giving me the US the choice and the trust
to have a conversation
and certain things were, like, needlessly expensive in one way.
And then in other ways, they wouldn't fool all the staff.
So that it it was like,
I I didn't feel like,
you know, And I
suppose people who get involved in
certain higher level strategic
discussions conversations, you know, been involved
with things like school
you know, for yourself,
um and just generally you can force yourself into
conversations and you do get invited into meetings,
but what happen to other people's voices?
And I didn't feel like there was a community voice I felt I felt very much
dictated to rather than discussed with.
That's how I felt, Uh, Isa, I felt, and, you know, in terms of cost of money,
Yeah. I mean, it's just completely different way. It's about outcomes, isn't it?
It's about having
practical discussions. It's about,
you know, I I discuss with people you must do this, I said. But if I do this,
this is a consequence
and a flat refused with the C c g to do certain things
based on what we felt wasn't
and and when when I talked to when I when I forced the conversation,
talking them through it.
They say, You asking me to do something that puts me and my CO was at risk
by doing what you do by bringing people into house just to have a test.
We've not been near anyone for three or four months
at all, and all of a sudden you're asking people to come into the house.
We don't want people in the house,
you know, that's what we we decided.
But you must have, you know, and it's like, Oh my goodness.
And then and then I remember doing the mask test to say
thing, and everyone looked like Bart Simpson
with these crazy things going on in my over ear, and then and then the next week,
they found out we didn't even have to do it.
It was very confusing, Isaac, and it was very stressful
for a lot of people to know what the rules were
and, yeah, the conversation often started in their own money.
So thinking about, like, how
you feel? Did you feel the same?
I was frightened. I felt
that we were as disabled people left to our own devices.
And there was, like, a lack of information. And when it
it was on based on the wrong stuff, because we weren't central to that conversation.
Um, can I ask you like, I'm really interested
in? How did you
ever like? So you said that you and your p a and his wife or your p A s,
decided to kind of go into lockdown together. How did you come to that decision?
What did that feeling look like for you?
We We were We were We were actually in London at a conference, um, with an
at the time. And then I was working in
and I was due to work in Chelmsford.
And I remember in
the whole country,
talking about making decisions about
locking down. I remember the first fear of anxiety going into a room
with people. We've had several people and having discussions around.
Should we stay? We were We were already there. We'd already spent a day together,
and the country was starting to make decisions.
You you're starting to understand and realise
that this was, um,
I was with I was due to be with him for a week, and he got me for three months
and we just basically, because
of the health needs of Amy's wife and he and Miss
you know, Number one, they were worried about mo money income,
Um, as were so I I like I had,
like, sort of four regular staff, but one
I already asked to leave,
So that so that so That meant they had three regular staff who lived in Poland.
And what they said was, if we can get furloughed happy days, basically,
but because for them to travel from Poland
and the rules over there and the headaches around travel and all the rest of it
So we we locked down for about three months together because based on
a conversation with me and me and the wife, and what we actually did was,
I went to I left home and went to the south of
England while she was still allowed to and kind of had,
like, a mini holiday
thinking I'm gonna end up living with a married couple here
For the first time since I lived with my mum and dad
When I was 16, I left home,
so that was a bit bizarre. And I thought we'd, you know, just have a bit of a break
in a really safe, quiet part of the world. And we were allowed to on a farm,
which was with people that I knew and trust. And
then we decided to give it Give it a bash, which is what we did,
and that's that's basically how it went. There was no
help support advice around p A
or what would happen if you know p. A. Don't want to come into your house
it it it was It was like you said it completely left your own devices.
If information was available, it was on. Do you remember? It was like
just loads and loads of sheets. Are you highly vulnerable?
You know, like things like the online shopping
and it's like you are highly vulnerable to the GPS,
but you can't get your sheep to find out.
You're highly vulnerable. And
it was just messy, wasn't it? And and like
like you talk about accessible information,
there was nothing need to read off it all.
Not that it matter to me,
but it was like war and peace when it came through the door,
you know, you're probably be vulnerable, and
I just I just
it type of thing
in the end. But it it it was worrying because the because
my p a s partner,
he basically became a morning carer in the second p a.
But she also had health needs. So for her to be going into the hospitals
to have these appointments because she, you know, she genuinely poorly
and it's a situation that fluctuates.
So it was the panic about them, them going in. My concern about her treatment as well
as a friend, you know,
was absolutely horrendous.
But also the fear of the virus. Then coming into the
was feeling it.
And it was like every little thing you were tested.
You know, like your temperature, every little cough.
What is that placebo thing? Do you remember Isaac?
I think a lot of us got poorly mentally. And then and then physically,
you know, it's the first time
since the injury I felt
challenged with my mental health,
and I'm fortunate that
that hasn't happened too often for me in my life. I don't know.
You talk a lot about your situation. I'm so proud of you as my friend and
as your colleague and someone that you learn from but it. But
for people to be in that situation, isolated
without any support.
There are a lot of people in a lot worse situations than me. Isaac and I really
wonder how they coped in that situation.
A lot of people haven't coped, and they haven't come out of it.
It's a reality, Isaac,
and that's That's what we're now talking about in Manchester.
In these sort of post covid meetings, long covid meetings
isn't just the physical impacts of long covid. It's the mental impact as well.
I just like I just you took me on such a journey of like the the days that
know anything and that we like I I and like people knew,
were like leaving their shopping outside and washing their letters, and
made it all all up and how we had to lock down with the support that we had.
How did you like organise that everyday things like we've you know, we have, um
long term health challenges.
How did you like, manage? Like your your health challenges?
How did you manage shopping? How did you manage P p? All those things like
like like I mean,
p p was was more of a challenge. That was someone different. Rochdale Council.
So I do a lot of stuff with with all the Rochdale Council were really good.
They had, like, the voluntary shop thing
and the the things like, you know, the the pharmacy, the pharmacy.
We have to, like, deliver prescriptions and do things, you know,
in in and out on and people who I I thought
engaging with the like, the bot,
uh, helps people give people a job. And also I got you. You got new friends from afar.
I thought that was a, to be honest with you, I thought that was a real positive.
It was easy to be negative, but
But that that was something, You know, I I also tried to be as independent as possible
with family and friends. I got an extra freezer
so that we could get, you know, kind of cook in bulk, like get things in bulk as well,
which is a privilege that I had because I can afford to do that.
But everyone's in that position.
But there was also with the shop who came, whether we like it or not like free food.
But I didn't want to take the food, so I said, I don't want the free food.
So then we ended up giving the food away, which is where I started to think about,
like cooking like the NHS a
And like some
families, people who are away from the kids. So my sister is a physiotherapist
and with two Children, like a single mom, now a single mom. But at the time, we like a
Let's say, a distracted ex partner
with mental health and and behaviour was challenging,
and they were on a family in the pandemic, and
I remember his partner at the time, and just it was just a nightmare.
So I think he's dealing with,
you know, a divorce.
22 young teenagers
who were going through that experience
and the pandemic and the educational side and having to do the work as a single parent
and then going into saying helping people say goodbye to her, you know,
She was on the on the
and she was like, I'm fine.
But you know, some of my colleagues I'm like, Ma, how are you? Fine.
How are you? Fine. My little my beautiful little sister. How are you? Fine.
You can't be fine.
But, you know, she made out. She was so you know, and you can't
get around her.
But, you know, there's also the fun side where, like, you know,
watching people falling over virtually because you've had
too many jeans on the Friday night.
And we did. I did like a quiz online.
The people got involved in and stuff like that
and got dressed up and did silly things.
And you, you kind of learn how to connect a bit more
in some ways, but
I just It it was such a journey, wasn't it?
And but there was some positives is what I'm saying.
Some and there were some real heroes there,
community and people doing shopping,
you forget. Don't you
forget about that story.
It feels like a lifetime ago, doesn't it?
Yeah, it was.
Tell me about like you mentioned the P PE.
So, like, did you like, how did you make sense of that? Or
mean, the thing is, the the thing is,
in terms of, like what we were doing, we didn't really leave the house.
So you don't really need much If you're not leaving the house
as long as your as long as someone's got it in here
and those coming in for three months, we kind of
We had the p p kind of dictate. It was more
the mask test
bit, say, or something
test. They did. And I was just I I didn't want anyone.
I didn't want anyone coming in doing the test. We we were.
We didn't want anyone coming in.
It was just like, absolute. What's the point in someone coming in
to put mat masks on? But if someone's caring for you,
they need to wear this mask and have it like it's
a certain fitted and I'm like,
but we're not going anywhere. My car is not going anywhere
he could get out and do a bit of shopping and And what have you
But all all that was doing was doing. Like I said, I I you know, I announced before that
there were certain difficulties and challenges how
you know, do it this way. And
and I'm sure that he was going out doing things differently.
A little bit of thinking,
you know, do one work,
do what I'm doing. I'll do it my way.
Which is fair enough because,
you know, I became a bit of a dictator, which is not like me at all.
But like, you know,
we all agreed to it like a strategy, but
But it it felt like,
that that element of stuff, you know, when when we did need stuff, it was provided.
We got too much of anything
to a certain extent,
and I found parts of it easy, but
I didn't know what to
do with it. I didn't want to use it. It was just It was just lumped at my door. Isaac.
It wasn't like,
you know. What do you need? How do you feel about it? Is what is what you do.
Have you thought about different strategies? It was not helping our bias.
We weren't allowed to link into helping our bi. I did a business plan
and presented to the C C G about pay
pay like group that they could be involved in to
help each other Just a really positive solution based group
and just got completely just totally
five pages of my best English.
frustrated, you know, just frustrated.
So what a missed opportunity.
So there is lots of talk handy right about this post pandemic world or
now Covid is over. People say,
What does that feeling look like to you as a person living with disabilities?
from my point of view,
until we start having these conversations strangely
and then we start, you know, because I'm still involved in like,
sort of lived experience groups in Manchester. It becomes a lot more real in terms of
the impact that it's had people still feeling isolated,
so not safe on transport, not
not feeling safe, um,
re engaging with the community, not not understanding.
I'm in the right information in the right
format at the right time around vaccine information.
It's like an e petition. Someone sent me something from a a
charity called Autism.
You were amazing Charity. They've just got a completely different
call it rigid thinking.
You know, people knew your diversity, rigid thinking,
and and you know how you know someone in that situation perceives the world and
the safety and the challenges and
people not getting back out and not feeling safe, not re engaging.
So that's, you know, employment, leisure,
and that has a huge impact on the mental health.
And I just feel like it's been pushed under the carpet
because we're because we're skin and we've got we've
got 15 prime ministers in by by a week
because because the government can't sort
themselves out and because Queen's died,
God rest us all and bless her. Do you know what I mean? And the family around her?
I mean, that's a a human being, you know, and
and it's heartbreaking. For any family, to lose a family member
does seem like a really good egg.
But that doesn't mean that the rest of the world
isn't still suffering and experiencing things,
and and I don't mean that as if you shouldn't create news about politics.
Or you shouldn't create news about
the death of of, uh,
you know, such a highly regarded
member of the royal family.
You should be having more discussions around
mental health people feeling safe, getting getting back in society, employment,
you know, Apparently there's no,
there's no, um,
there's like a AAA shortage
of in the workforce. And yet some people can't get jobs.
You know, there's no sort of There's a complete disparity between
between that and between helping facilitate people back in society.
And it's like that conversation, because country skin,
some people are pushed being pushed right to the
to to the the back end. Conversations likely disagree.
But often I, I found, rather than work together, sometimes
the disabled community can
work against each other and be almost be competitive.
You know, it's about like imper types, rather than
just supporting each other and having conversation like we would always have. I,
just being human beings about it rather than
So you know, this is your imper
and your challenge. This is
and this is our so let's, you know,
in competition for
hours and support and money and that kind of thing.
That's not how it should be at all.
It it just takes me to that thing of like
I want to, like,
if so, so the I think covid like, shone a light on some of the pre-existing challenges
that were already there for people with disabilities.
and like, what do you think? We've learned from the pandemic and lockdowns?
Have we learned anything at all?
I mean, I
be the carbon footprints gone down. We do a lot more of this stuff, don't we?
Rather than meeting up with each other,
I'm not seen you for ages,
which I don't I don't think that's a good thing. Necessarily.
I do think carbon footprint saving the energy. I mean,
there's elements of balance around it.
I think there's a lot of learning to be done if you if if you if you listen
and you and and you listen to conversations like this
and there's a lot of learning to be done,
I think there's a lot of things like be open, trust our community
to to to to help each other and share from each other
like it's like let disabled people connect people with care and support needs
like this we we were talking about. Um
So So I I've got a training day for for three guys today. Now that could be 12 people.
So? So the the the public sector are paying for something
where there could be somebody else in the community of
Rochdale who could benefit from that training.
I'd have them in my house, come to my house, have that training
and and and save a few quid on each. You know, share the cost of the P H. B.
But they won't like it because of confidentiality.
What a load of nonsense.
What a load of nonsense,
you know, like, why can't we connect?
Why can't people with you know similar sort of support needs,
You know, challenges, obstacles,
but also opportunities will work with each other.
I think there's a lot of learning that can be done from it.
If you open your eyes and your ears up to
what people with lived experience like ourselves
are happy, as I'm sure you'll learn from
conversation, you'll help us bringing up your own input into it.
Is it would you agree with that?
I think listening to people and design services with people in mind
be more open to it. I also think that in Manchester,
the Covid health equity group really did try to disabled people.
So? So the role that I got to project manage was amazing
to be involved in and and actually
the charities so so start to work together.
They they'd like, do joint bids for the first time ever
rather than work together in competition.
So there's a couple of companies like Breakthrough,
the Coalition for Disabled People.
Uh, R N I B Manchester decent.
You know, those are the meetings that I was project managers and facilitating
alongside health professionals and things like, you know, making things easier,
making accessible BSL captions, that kind of thing
and trying to tackle and and deal with, You know, the
the the isolation mental health side.
You know, um, accessible lines, helplines. You know, what if people,
you know, how do you get a vaccine to someone who doesn't want to leave the house?
And you know that that that kind of thing and doesn't want you haven't seen people?
How do you get people to have a conversation
and and and open up to, you know, to try to talk about
the feelings and that kind of thing.
And I thought it was fantastic and what they've done with that,
rather than cancel it,
they they've moved that into, like, the poverty strategy.
Now they've moved into, like, healthy minds.
They moved into, like, hospital. So
there's a lot of good work that was done. I I I felt in in Manchester,
and I was a small part of it. But I've learned I've learned from it
and that, but keep doing it, you know, they have in Manchester and fair play.
another year bridge to look at other strategic things
and that, you know, and I find those sort of meetings conversations really healthy,
Really important that that keeping
like the lived experience at the heart of all this so important?
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
And I wanted to ask you, like
the so this, uh,
inquiry This this kind of these conversations are gonna feed directly into
covid inquiry And how, um,
disabled people experience covid and the lockdown.
What would you want as a disabled person for that inquiry
to hear about the experiences of deaf and disabled people.
Yeah, I I I think I think, like involve them from the very onset.
There's a pandemic. There's a crisis, talks about it, be honest and
open about it,
and how we just had this discussion about how we we deal with that.
Let us link together and be a bit more transparent
and open for those who want to link together.
If people don't want to be linked together, leave them in peace.
If that be their wish, you know, design things around people. It's more efficient,
it feels better. It's more effective.
Um, you know, it's it's it.
It helps you advance in a more positive way,
and it keeps people feeling a lot safer and connected to the community.
Don't isolate people,
don't and and don't box people off and don't make assumptions around vulnerability
as, uh as well, If if if that makes sense, I think that's one of the
that. That'd be one of the big things of that discussion.
But don't just throw resources needlessly at people because
you think it's the right thing to do.
You know, have a purpose for it.
So if you're going to spend money, spend it wisely.
You see what I mean? If you're gonna
and use it wisely
and bring people into the discussion that have, uh,
a solutions based outlook on life positive people,
we've lived experience. Yes, it's tough. Yes, I'll tell you real as well.
It's not always going to be positive.
You've got to bring the problems issues in order to sack them. But
then have those people part of that positive solution based discussion.
Thanks, Andy. That is brilliant and really important. Insights and points.
So can I.
Is there anything else you wanted to share with
me about your experiences of covid and the lockdowns?
I I I think I think the thing is that it's still around for a lot of people,
and I think that's the thing.
And I think, like, you know,
that post covid thing is something we need to be throwing resources out.
We need to have that awareness
we need to be having those discussions not just in in these sort
of smaller meeting rooms or the platform that you'll help us provide,
have it you know on, you know, on the telly, have it in social media. Have it.
So it's OK to feel like you, Can you? You can talk and you can talk about
feeling unsafe. I think it's a brilliant advert at the moment around about, um,
it's it. It's a It's a commercial advert rather than the public health one.
But it's around, I think this these three
having a discussion around but basically being skin in the cost of living prices
and and and saying, No, I'm a private person, but it feels nice to have a chat about it,
and I like that stuff. Do you know what I mean?
But why should it be
doing it? Or Barclays? Why should it not be?
You know, public health thing, you know, particularly around.
You know, there's a lot of stuff on
a league players as you know,
there's that thing around.
But I'm also a guy who's had a spinal injury, and I'm an emotional
and and I've learned to talk about my feelings and not be the testosterone and,
you know, put a mask on on behalf of everyone
to open up and to have a conversation with people about
being scared, being vulnerable, You know, that kind of thing.
But a lot of people don't have that in their lives.
You know? Mums, guys, girls, kids, You know it. It's
You know, the conversation needs to
needs to be promoted and continued because covid hasn't gone.
The legacy is probably gonna hit harder
than the pandemic did.
If we don't tackle it,
I think that's it.
And good luck to anyone who's hearing this.
He's part of that, uh, making that happen as well.
I'm gonna stop the recording now if you don't have anything to add,
Yeah. Brilliant. Let me