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Please Report the Errrors?
Uh,
OK,
can I,
uh, get, um, you to introduce yourselves?
Um, the Kizza
Hi, Megan. Hi, Nikita. Could you tell me a little bit about yourselves?
Um,
I'm 25 autistic and
mentally ill.
I was diagnosed in
when I was 15.
Mhm.
They, uh, come
out as you like. So what are you passionate about? What you like doing
Helping people, I guess, Um, I've kind of been
in
many different therapies, many different mental
health services, and I've been failed many times, so
I'm more passionate about, you know,
making sure people don't get failed and helping them supporting them for it.
I've done many courses in
mental health and,
you know, adverse childhood experiences, stuff like that just to try
support. I'm a single mom as well. So I'm doing,
you know, supporting my child,
making sure he gets the proper support and everything.
Yeah.
Thank you for sharing that.
Megan, um, can I ask you to share a little bit about what you're passionate about?
What you enjoy doing,
OK?
I don't know. I don't really I don't do much. Um,
I don't know.
I like Harry Potter, but I think that's about it. To be honest.
What do you like about Harry Potter?
I don't know. I've I've liked it for a good few years. Now, I just
I don't know what it is about it,
but I think what I like about it is that I can get lost in it. I I do audio books.
I don't do I find it difficult to concentrate to read. So I
just finished the last one, and
I don't read the books because I'm dyslexic, so I just I just watch the film.
You have recently found books that are far dyslexic. Um, a
WP helped you find them, didn't they? In the library?
Yeah.
That's really a good example of, like, good support.
Um,
Megan, I'm just gonna say like, we can only see a little half of your face. Um,
brilliant.
Um, and you might be only wanna show half of your face. That's absolutely fine.
But it it I just wanted to let you know.
So I've got a few questions. So we're doing this work with Horton
to understand the experiences of people with a learning disability,
autistic people, their family members.
So first question that we
wanted to explore, um and
please do jump in. Whoever wants to respond to this,
um,
can you share with me a recent positive experience
of support or health and of health and social care
services in Halton?
Um, why was it positive and how important?
Um, and what impact did it have on you on your life?
Um, I've I've done some notes, so I wrote down a WP. Obviously, um,
Dave,
not long since it started.
They started, I think August, um, but I've known Emma, who runs it, um,
through a different service.
And as soon as she ran it, you know, I knew I'd join her because she's great. She's
the only I've paid her for therapy. She's the only therapist I've actually seen.
And I've seen, you know, NHS ones who is actually autism aware. You know,
she I used to have about 10 panic attacks a day. And
what I didn't realise were they? Some of them were sensory overloads and meltdowns.
So now that you know, she's helped me identify that and be aware of it,
you know, I've been able to regulate myself.
I'm actually aware of my sensory needs when I was diagnosed, you know,
I was given a piece of paper to say, Here's your diagnosis and that's it.
You know, you're just shoved off with
it. There's no
explanation. There's no you have, you know,
detailing what sensory need you have, What support there is available.
You're just diagnosed and there's nothing
you know. So she gives, you know you can pay for therapy, you can have it
NHS funded. I pay right now because my NHS won't do it.
Um,
you know, it's great. That's
the meets we have, where we're meeting other artistics.
And it's great because you don't have to
mask you can actually be yourself around them.
Um, I've made a WhatsApp group with everyone
you know who attends a WP.
So we all have, like, this friendship, and it's lovely because some of them,
you know, say they don't speak to anyone.
And it's nice to have that.
You know, we have quite a few who have recently come out of, um,
section in or being
going back in, and they say it's nice to have someone to still talk to,
You know, we've got the courses which they're running,
Um, like we have the self care course the cooking course.
Quite a lot of it's made
and run and agreed through through the a PPS, which are
me and Megan are ones, you know. It's artistic ones who we speak to Emma and we like
she before she runs things.
Before she agrees on things, she'll run it through us, make sure it's
you know what we think we need, and
it's great because they don't just,
you know, we've been in many different services where
when you're diagnosed with autism or a mental illness, they look down on you.
They kind of
treat you like you're
still a kid. You know, you're not tr like an adult,
you know, it's like they've got kid gloves on with you and
you're
It's just not great the way you trip, So but they these don't do that.
You know, you trap
like an adult like you can make your own
choices and they help you gain that independence.
And they do the P a work as well. I know Megan
does that, and they've helped Megan quite a lot with that,
and
it's just really good. It's the only service I've had in
Alton. Actually, that has helped
Uh
oh. That's really, really good to to hear.
Um, when you were sharing some of your experience, you talked about,
um, just being given a diagnosis and no support. What impact did that have on you?
I actually wasn't aware that I was diagnosed, Um,
when I was younger.
Uh, you know, I've been in
therapy since I was 11, but I was, like, for a long time.
Um, it was just put down as anxiety because, girls,
they're very difficult to diagnose, aren't we?
But just
often seen as anxious.
And for many years, I was told I was just anxious. I was homeschooled from 13
because there wasn't enough support.
Yeah, I didn't leave my house for three years, and I was finally diagnosed at 15.
I had no idea.
All I knew was, you know, I was speaking to these doctors.
That's it.
I was given a piece of paper. My parents were giving it. No one explained it to me.
No one told me what,
and then it wasn't until I found out I was pregnant
when I was 16 that I was going through my notes
and I said, I'm autistic. I said, What does that mean?
And when I actually asked the people who diagnosed me, they told me to google it.
I had no idea about anything. I had no idea about
the fact that
when I go out, you know, these panic attacks I was having about going out,
they weren't just because I was different.
It was because I'm
not coping with the people.
And it
It wasn't until I met Emma that I was finally understanding.
I'm not weird. I'm
not different. You know, These are actual
issues I'm having.
Thank. Thanks, Nikita, for sharing. I'm gonna go over to Megan,
and I know you've got some notes.
So if you wanna share the notes or you want Nikita to help, um, whatever works for you,
so can you share with me? Um, an experience. You've a positive experience.
You've had, uh, access and support
or health? Um, services in Halton.
What? What made it positive. And what impact did that have on you?
Um,
well, I've got a social worker right now, and
she
she didn't used to be very good to begin with,
but she she's not been too bad recently,
cause she's been looking at supported living, cause I'm I'm not.
I'm not very good at living on my own,
Apparently,
but she's been looking at supported living, So then
I wouldn't have to live on my own. And I'd have, like, better support in the house
And what you know, you know,
she wasn't really good before. So what she told recently what makes her,
um,
better or or good. Now,
I don't know, Emma,
like, complained a while ago because she never used to answer me.
And she just used to ignore all the text messages. And
it's since then that she started to, like, actually speak to me and, like,
help me around
What I'm not doing very good with
And can I ask you and you don't need to answer this.
What are some of the challenges that you face like? So you said
there are some things you're not very good with.
Um So, for example, I'm terrible with organising my time
also really, uh,
struggle with getting overwhelmed and stuff like that.
Uh what? What do you struggle with?
Well, I I've got a DH D.
So I'm I'm not very good at, Like keeping my house clean or paying the bills or
like, stuff around the house. I'm
not very good at that stuff.
Mm.
And
you talk. You both of you have talked about Emma. So
the support you're getting from Emma and, uh,
remind me of the name of the organisation
a
WP
the
artist and well being,
um,
Project
Project.
OK, brilliant.
So what makes that support really good? And what makes that kind of, um,
service really good?
They listen,
you know, um,
I'm not gonna name names,
but we were with a different service in the past,
and I had, you know,
one of my autism traits is I'm very open.
Some would say rude. Some would say, just open and honest.
And, you know, when
someone's struggling when there's difficulties, Yeah, I'll tell them.
You know, we need this different. We need this, and we need this in place,
but in them places, they wouldn't listen to you.
And, you know, they'd see you just say
you're in,
uh,
like a patient, a client where we don't listen to you.
It's We do what we do, you deal with it.
Whereas here you listen to they actually understand. You know
Emma, She's a DH D. You know she's got autism kids. She's worked in schools, you know.
She's
therapist. She's great. She understands everyone she hires.
She makes sure they're great. You know,
John, a therapist she just hired is amazing. He's great.
He's a natural, good therapist. Never seen good therapists
that often, but he's great.
Everyone. She works with Rachel, Chelsea, all of them.
They are aware, and they cater to your needs. And they support you.
They don't look down at you,
you know, and
everything she does, she does it.
So, you know, in a way where she ensures it's gonna support.
You know,
even the newsletter she sends out she sends to us to make sure
it's all done right where we can understand everything she does to the
smallest part she makes sure
is catered for us.
Yeah. And
what about you, Meghan? Can you
What? What makes the support you're getting from a
WAWP, right?
It
should be different from previous support.
Well, I, I see Emma for my therapy, and I've never actually spoke to anyone before,
but
I'm not very good at it. But
I don't know what it is about em, though She just listens to me. And
she doesn't make me, like, say things if I don't wanna do it, like
sometimes I just sit there and play games if I don't fancy talking.
And I wanted to ask you both.
What sort of challenges have you faced as autistic people?
People living with autism?
Um,
in your life, that could have been denied.
So what challenges have you faced of accessing the right support?
Well, for one
cams refuses to take you on it. When you're diagnosed with autism,
you're not allowed to access that.
Um,
I was
I could have gone to high school, you know,
if I was diagnosed younger and there was actual support, but
no, I was homeschooled. I missed out on quite a bit.
Um, without the actual support, I was not able to attend college.
Even though I did have a diagnosis. Then, you know, I was just
We can't deal with this sent home.
Um,
I've never been able to have a job ever
never been able to do that.
Uh,
there's quite a lot that you
reject it for.
You know, I've I have an eating dis Well, it's not been diagnosed, but we think it.
I have an eating soda, which is a
it. It's connected with, um, autism.
The NHS don't fund that. I have never once had support for my eating,
and I have struggled with that since I was a kid.
I have begged. I have begged every doctor. No one will take me on.
They don't deal with this. They say it's none of theirs,
and
there's, you know, there's no support.
The only person who was supported is Emma has often
support with that,
but there is nothing
for stuff like that
anywhere.
There's no support for Harper in the NHS
now, before I come to you. Megan, can I ask you, Nikita?
So, thinking about
a good life, what would a good life look like to you?
So, like all of those things you talked about, So what would you
want from a really good life?
It's like what? I try to make sure my son has now because he struggles. So I
being aware of my needs younger, so for hi. You know,
I make sure
anything like I used to have panic attacks. Younger, very young.
And
I use that as looking at my son. Now, a lot of it is sensory envelopes.
So being aware of your needs,
being aware of your sensory issues from a young age would have helped me a tonne.
Maybe I wouldn't be so
in my house at all times. I believe,
Um,
actually having the support from early on, you know, that I've got now
cos it's qu
I'm really big on early help because, I, I know how good it is. And I've
you know, I'm only getting it now. At 25 it's quite late on
being able to attend school. That would have been great.
Being able to have a job being able to go out,
you know, on my own. I don't do that,
you know,
just
not having the world speak still, the stigmas around autism, you know,
everyone still sees it as this person sat in the car on the rocking or a genius.
You know,
it'd be nice to live in a world where you've understood
really powerful. Thank you for sharing.
Um, Megan wanted to come to you.
So what have some of your challenges been in accessing
health and social care support or any kind of support in Horton.
I got kicked out of school when I was 13, cause
III I wouldn't behave very well, but I didn't cope with all the people in it. I
didn't know I had a DH D at the time. So I got
sent to a referral unit for a
year,
didn't know what to do with me.
And then
through the year,
I got sectioned a few times and they weren't very good with me in that either.
To be honest
and? And what would you want to change?
Like what? What would a good life look like for you?
Well, I didn't get diagnosed till I was 20
then I got me
a DH D diagnosis just before I turned 23.
So
it might have been
easier if I got diagnosed sooner because
that they might give me more support in school and that
I got kicked out of college as well, because I I didn't cope with that either.
I wouldn't go through
that
while I was in there
and Nikita
kash you you You said, um and it you You used the phrase like it's
much harder for women and,
like, um,
can you explain to me like
you know what? What could be different?
So, like you talked to, you've spoken about being overwhelmed,
asking much harder for women to get a diagnosis.
Um,
really surprised that you said that
you didn't know you were diagnosed and you read it on a piece of paper. Um,
but what would you want to
tell those kind of people that were supporting you? What could be different?
I think
I've tried to train as a teacher. Say I'd go back all the way to school.
You don't legally
need to be trained in autism,
and I think that's disgusting.
I think
your diagnosis starts with your parents being aware. Your teachers being aware.
You know,
everyone who's looking after you need to be aware of the things to look out on
and they're not.
And you're still, you know, I'm still fighting it to this day with my son.
You know, it's still a big fight.
If people your teachers, your parents,
you are just aware of little things to look out on.
And then
your professionals that you see your GPS. I've seen GPS.
And you know I'm talking to them about my needs and they have no idea what I'm on about.
No, you know not. I
think
they're aware of people in wheelchairs what they use a wheelchair for.
You know they're aware of their needs.
If you have a child in that's in the school in a wheelchair,
you have an adult that's coming to your doctors in a wheelchair.
You'll be able to spot them. You have to have ramps. You have to have things in place.
There needs to be more reasonable adjustments for,
you know, autistics because they don't.
You know, you go to these places and they expect you to cope.
You go to like the hospital.
You're expected to just sit in the middle of a really busy place and deal with it.
You know, if you're having a meltdown, you're expected to deal with it.
The police Megan. She didn't mention
the way they track Megan because even with her diagnosis was vile
because there's not enough training provided for
these professionals or they don't access it.
The way these people treat
Artistics because they're not aware of
how they cope or what happens when they're overwhelmed
is disgusting, and it ends up affecting them.
It affects them so much afterwards.
The can I
ask
you is reasonable adjustment.
So what?
How do people need to
be mindful of the needs of autistic people?
It's different in every setting.
Um, how like when you go to a GP having a quiet room, you know, like you have ramps,
you can have a quiet room.
Um,
you can ha make sure that
if you have a diagnosis, you know, it doesn't come up on you.
Um, Page unless you look, making sure, you know,
like at schools now they have these pupil passports.
Like Emma does a health passport. Now, with us that you can take in
but having them at setting. Sorry, my puppy just woke up.
Um, having them at these settings would be much better Having dimmed lighting,
you know, you don't need these really bright lights
even at hospitals having a quiet area in
shopping centres. You know, having these quiet
rooms, you know, especially
are found in really busy centres or even having like,
these quiet times that you can go.
Um,
when you see a professional,
you know you have an appointment with them making sure they're aware of any needs
and actually having say, a system where you can put a pupil
pass a pupil, passport or a health passport on
so every professional can see it. And I think
B
discipline. I can't say the word me can help me out.
Disciplinary
Thanks. Them meetings are really essential because I've had
for me.
I've had, like,
four professionals involved in me and not one of them have communicated.
So,
you know, you're getting different support from everyone,
and I think they need to happen more
so Then everyone's on the same page and
you actually get the proper support from everyone.
Sounds like a really inaccessible world, like if you've got health and social care,
you know, being in environments where people get overwhelmed or overloaded.
No one communicating with each other.
Oh, it sounds really challenging, but thank you for sharing some of the things that
could be different.
Um, Megan, like, what's your experience been? And did you say, like
your experience of the police wasn't so positive?
And what's your experience been around? Mental health support?
Um,
the mental health support. It's not been that good, to be honest, cause
when I was in hospital, they just seem to discharge and they don't really.
They don't offer much help when you get out. And
then the police were never very good cause
I don't like people touching me, and they normally just, like, grab me
and like, he shouts at me. And then
so now when I every time I had a police car go past the, like, the shit
myself,
I never cry.
Oh, that's really hard. And
have you had much of an opportunity either of you to
talk to
health and social care professionals, police and other people that
have not necessarily met your needs
afterwards? Now, um,
that's something that Emma wants to do. She wants us to meet with, like, P, CSO S and,
you know, speak to them.
You know, Emma can provide, um, training to them.
That's what she does, you know, she can provide it.
So she was on about trying to do that.
But
I've actually met with the
Oyo at my high school, and it was great to be able to tell them where they failed.
Um
cos sometimes they're not aware and it's sad because they're not provi.
You know,
there's not enough training out there or they're not aware of what they can get.
Sometimes it's not even their fault
cos they're just not aware of it.
So it just takes telling them and someone providing it for them. But I've never,
um, met with the old ones I get.
It takes a while to get over the anger of them,
feeling you to be able to communicate with them.
And can I ask you like you talked about an
please? If you don't feel comfortable? She talks about like
your Samsung. We had to question that.
We wanted to go around supporting other people with similar challenges. How
easy, hard?
Um, you know,
what's your experience been of supporting somebody else with similar challenges?
Well, I've got a sister, a brother
who are diagnosed with autism, and
my son has sensory needs. We're not sure about that.
It's the most difficult thing you can ever experience. It really is.
There is not enough support.
It is difficult,
you know, you have to fight to get them support. And it shouldn't be fighting
just to get a child support.
You know,
uh, my brother, I nearly called him my son. He went to a autism school in
witness, and it was incredible. But the fight we had to go through to get him there,
it drains you.
It is the most mentally and physically draining experience you can have.
You know, when you're not,
you've got to for a while until you're aware of all of their needs.
You know, you're not provided with help for this.
You have to figure this out yourself.
You're like walking on eggshells to try and make sure they're OK.
And there's not enough support for the parents, the family members afterwards,
you know,
you just
expected to cope.
You know, my brother and my sister, they were diagnosed, and that was it.
We never seen anyone again.
You know, sometimes if they needed speech language, you've seen them.
But that's it. You know, they don't
give you enough support advice. Stay there for if, you know, give the parents some
support, some tips.
You know anything, a check up, see how they're doing. Give them any sensory need.
You know, sensory need support.
There could be so much more they could do, but they don't.
Megan, what about you?
Um do you have you had experiences supporting family members, friends,
other people in accessing,
uh, services.
One of my brothers is autistic, but I don't really speak to my family anymore, so
I wouldn't really have a clue about that one.
You support me, and I'm autistic.
Hm.
I
pretty Well,
I'm sure you're a great support.
So I'm wondering how much, um,
so have you come across this term co
production? Do you do
any co
production or do you collaborate or work with the local council or any health?
No.
No, we have met with the MP.
Um,
that was fun.
Yeah,
uh, we gave him a good telling that the system's crap.
And he he even said that we We're very good at speaking.
And maybe we should go with him to the parliament to tell them all.
Um,
but no, it's very new. This so we wanna do stuff like that. You know,
um,
we wanna I wanna be able to broaden a WPL to Warrington as well, because
there's nothing
here in Warrington at all.
Um,
but it would be good to be able.
It's not many people are aware of, you know, support.
I'm trying to get the word out to people I know.
But
I know people who have kids who are autistic or who
are artists themselves and have no idea that there's even this.
And it's sad because you don't know unless you look
and even looking, you wouldn't know where to look.
Megan, I was just wondering, have you got anything else you wanted to share with me?
Like around your experiences
And
like, what?
Uh,
so any positive negative or anything that you would wanna tell people that might be
working with people with autism or a learning disability, like, Yeah,
um,
uh, I'm not too sure to be honest.
OK, there's no worries.
And I know you've got, like, you've, uh, answered some of the questions.
So, like, if you could send them to me, that would be great as well.
Um, can I ask Nikita like anything else you would like to share with me about
why this work is important?
Because you're
essentially affecting the, you know,
either impacting or affecting the
mental health they're living,
you know, providing them with support is gonna affect their
living skills.
Their ability to attend rational support, gain friendships, socialise.
Eat properly. You know, that's one thing. Obviously I struggle with and
I'm going to a cooking cause now I never would have pictured doing that. You know,
it's essentially affecting their entire life,
providing them with the correct support, speaking to them in the correct manner,
you know,
stuff like
when you're speaking to them often.
I had a social worker quite that long ago to do an assessment, and
they give me too much information. So Rachel, who works with a WP just,
you know,
gave me a little bullet list bullet point list of it cos that's how you need it,
you know, often just
dumb.
I hate saying it but, like dumbing it down, making it smaller blocks of information,
not loads at once,
are even giving them information in bullet points. You know, making
not loads of you don't need to, like go into big topics of it. Giving important facts
often is easier. So need that entire conversation.
It's finding out what that one individual needs
and not referring them to the incorrect support
like
stick with a WP. If it's an adult chaps, if it's a child,
OK,
tell me about being referred to the incorrect support.
I'm not gonna see this on
it.
No.
Um
uh I mean, the consent form asks you how you want it to be shown so we can take bits out
as well.
It's
more that as long as chaps don't see me say this right, OK,
maybe don't say chaps maybe say services are
very generic. Yeah,
OK,
take that part out.
Um,
referring them to the incorrect services makes them lose that trust in them.
You know, it takes a while to gain
trust in someone when you've been failed so much,
and
when you then go to a service, that's not the correct one.
And there's impro professional boundaries, you know,
they're not providing the correct support.
They are
essentially just failing you again.
You lose that trust, and you're not gonna regain.
It's very difficult to regain, especially as an artistic person who
really struggles, socialising and really,
um, trusting people
having the correct support is essential to help build that.
And whereas if you go to the wrong place, you just
ever destroying that
and that impact
that you earlier talked about, Obviously,
if you're going to the wrong place, that impact is greater, isn't it?
Yeah, It is, It's much, but
yeah,
I've had many people who have gone to a certain
service.
It you've seen the impact on their mental health.
You know, they've been really struggling really down,
um, staying in more. You know,
that's
when we call it.
And then
you see them now and, you know, they're
socialising more
their mental health, you know, they still struggle.
That's not gonna change overnight.
But you can see the improvement already,
And this has only been here for a few months.
And do you? Uh, So if we were
so this is gonna be shared, and I we'll definitely take that bit out. But
in terms of, like, what messages would you want?
People that have N
not much experience or are doing things that don't meet your needs to hear. So what?
Things need to change? What do we want to see? Different.
Get training
for one. You know, even if you don't do
excessive training, you know they do some at colleges, distant learning courses.
I've done them. They're quite easy. Just
educate yourselves. You know,
be aware of what they need. Be aware of the sensory needs. Be aware of the
any adjustments. They could need to speak to them about what they need rather than
assume, you know,
and
actually listen and put in things rather than just say you will and never do it
and just
don't treat them like they. I
know we're classed as a vulnerable because we have a,
you know, additional needs,
but they don't need to be treated differently.
They need reasonable adjustments. Yes, but you don't need to
treat them like that
lower than you are.
They'll speak to them with the same
where you would an adult, you know, give them the same respect.
Uh, what about you, Megan? What? What things do you think? Need to change,
and
I don't I. I don't know,
but I'm not very good at this. Some
I think you're doing amazing just to say, um
you don't need the answers now.
Like, if you think of things afterwards, you can send them to me.
We can meet again.
Um, but you already did say a few things. Like, say, like you said that,
um, getting the right support at the right time,
people understanding
that
you don't like being touched. Um, So maybe other people don't like being touched.
You've already said so many positive things. Um,
but no, no pressure. Like you can come back to me.
And as you can hear, my puppy just woke up as well. So sorry about that.
Um,
I just wanted to,
uh, to I've got one more question. So, like we I, I touch.
So have you heard of the like, co
production? Have you been doing any co
production? N?
Don't think so.
No. OK,
anything else that you wanted to share with me before, Um,
you get to ask me some questions?
No.
OK,
no,
uh, So I'm gonna send you a consent form,
Um, that I'd like you both to fill out, and we will definitely take that bit out.
I'll I will move that bit around the name of that service. Don't worry about that.
Um,
we've got a couple of workshops coming up where
we'll invite you to help us think about a
lot of different people's stories. Thank you for your time.
Um, any questions if you have You got any questions for me?
Um,
when will it become that you're gonna start, you know, training every staff member.
So we I I hope, um, as someone that has similar experiences to both of you
that we use these stories to get
the systems. That's health, social care, education.
To understand that there there is a need to be doing things differently.
So we are gonna have some workshops, and we're gonna put
in those workshops, identify some key areas that we might wanna,
um,
sort of focus on.
And then we're gonna have another workshop called a conversation of change,
and it's a bit of a wonky word, but what it means is we can present
This is what we need to do differently.
One of the things I've already heard from both of you is train people make sure people
have lots of training so they can meet
the needs of autistic people and their families.
So that's something we definitely
and Halton are developing a charter around co
production. This will feed into,
um, some of our recommendations or some of our asks.
So, um yeah, and you'll be involved in that as well. So
is that Have I answered your question?
Because sometimes I don't answer big questions.
Sorry. I was like my
cat in
any other questions. for me. Megan, if you got anything that you wanted to ask me
Um, no, I don't think so.
OK,
so thank you. Uh, gorgeous. What's the puppy's name?
Sorry she needs because that's Coco. Coco.
I have a guinea pig called Coco one called Chanel.
Um,
three dogs and loads of fish. I've got loads of pets.
Um, lovely to meet Coco. So I haven't got any more questions for you.
So, um, thank you so much for your time.
And I'll drop you an email this afternoon just to say thank you and with the consent.
And I've noted down just to remove that
that name of that organisation.
So I don't want you to worry. I will definitely remove that, OK?
I mean, personally, I won't be bothered, but I think they might be
OK.
I understand that.
Brilliant.
Thank you very much. Both and I'll, I'll speak to you.
I will email you this afternoon.
All right. Thank you.
Um, Nikita, do you want to send me the questions that you've responded to?
Because we can add those in the list of things.
I mean, I didn't answer them like, you know, in actual sentences,
I did it in bullet points, but you can have it.
Send them to me. That'd be great.
OK, I think you can actually share meeting notes. So do you want me to just
Yeah.
There you
go.
OK, thanks. And so other than that, really thank you so much for your time.
I hope you get your therapy appointment.
And
Megan, thank you for all of your your support. And thanks, Nikita as well.
And see you soon.
Bye bye, everyone. Take care. Bye
bye.
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